Now, a male writer for Double X, Daniel Bergner, has posited the question of why womens' interest in long-term relationship sex wanes quicker than mens'. The only major study on the subject (which the author doesn't cite) posits that men's libido remains relatively stable in the LTR while the woman's declines within the year or two after the relationship has begun.
Bergner, says:
"It’s an idea that runs somewhat counter to the assumption that female desire tends to depend a great deal on the depth of relationships, on intimacy."
Yes, these assumptions come straight from the Todd White and Conor Friedersdorf School of White-Knighting (I hear they have the best "Pedalstry" program around).

I came across an academic paper Women's Sexual Strategies: The Evolution of Long-Term Bonds and Extrapair Sex that should be the Bible of evolutionary psychologists and Game enthusiasts alike. The authors, Elizabeth Pillsworth and Martie Haselton of UCLA, proffer a great working definition of evo psych as it applies to women's mating/dating strategies:
"The working hypothesis of most evolutionary psychologists is that the mind contains many specialized adaptations akin to the different organs of the body; each organ in the body has a specific function, and so to should the mechanisms of the mind. Because mating decisions play a central role in reproduction, and thus in human evolution, our expectation is that there will be many richly specified adaptations underlying womens' sexual behavior."Women have two different strategies for mating: coupling for long-term partnerships and dual mating - or cuckoldry - to maximize fitness of progeny. Given natural constraints on ability to choose mates, women have to make tradeoffs between the two strategies. They desire both investment from the father and superior genetic investment from another more fit male. Up until now, it seems that we've assumed that women adopt one or the other strategy and stick with it for life. Recent research suggests that strategies are contingent on life-stage, environment, underlying sex ratios, overarching structural power hierarchies, and contraception use. Sorting through this to answer the question "What do women want?" is quite a chore indeed.
How does this apply to long-term relationships that you and I might be in? How does a woman's evolved, disparate strategies affect men's behavior in those relationships? Also, how can we bring all of this information together to advocate LTR Game? The research that Bergner alluded to comes from this piece (HT: Randall Parker) that shows that women's sex drives in long-term relationships decline markedly while the male partner's remains the same. While the study is a novel piece of pop psychology, there are other academic studies that show the same trend.
In their research Women's preference for dominant male odour: effects of menstrual cycle and relationship status, Havlicek, Roberts, and Flegr show that women in long-term relationships favored the scent of more symmetrical - thus more genetically healthy - men than did single women.
Pillsworth and Haselton summarize the researches findings:
"This effect was considerably stronger in women who already had
long-term mates as opposed to those who were single, suggesting that the effect
could be driven by adaptations specifically for extrapair meeting."
Likewise, in their paper Partnership status and the temporal context of relationships influence human female preferences for sexual dimorphism in the male face shape, Little, Jones, Penton-Voak, Burt, and Perrett show that partnered women prefer more masculine faces than single women. These two pieces of research - among others - shows that women in relationships have preferences for more genetically fit men. At some point, they trigger a strategy for securing superior genes from fit male partners. They switch from the coupling strategy to the dual mating one. If this switch weren't the case, single women would exhibit the same preferences, but they don't. For the sake of my analysis, I'll assume that the different pieces of research accounted for age's effects on a woman's libido. In other words, a 25 year-old woman in a LTR will be more attracted to genetically superior men than a 25 year-old single woman.
Again, what does this mean for us men in LTRs?
I'm sad to say, but it compels us to forgo commitment if we're looking for a sexually equitable relationship. We can remain monogamous, but providing the traditional signals of loyalty - engagement rings, vow exchanges, promises - only undercut our potential happiness. Men in relationships have an incentive to develop strategies to prevent women from switching their strategy from long-term coupling to short-term dual mating. Game serves to keep the relationship always in the short-term - at least in her eyes.
In short, we have to employ LTR game that Dave from Hawaii preaches. Serving everything up on a platter of chivalry does nothing to secure your woman. Telling her your deepest desires, secrets, hopes, and dreams and offering your life to her only activates the mechanism by which she will seek out another man. Assuming that she's thoroughly socialized against cheating (she's aware of the social shaming or she's properly dogmatized), a woman will merely be less physically attracted to a man she thinks is totally committed rather than actively cheating. From a sexual satisfaction standpoint, the effects are the same for the man. Men need to neg rather than suck up; stay physically fit rather than accepting grand notions of her unconditional love no matter how big your belly; maintain the air of having options. If options aren't available, at least make it known that options could be available and your exploring them isn't off the table. None of these behaviors have to be immoral lies like some traditional conservatives would have us believe; they are merely counter-strategies to a woman's biologically-driven battle plan.
To tinker with the words of the Chairman of the Board, this is what women sing when they have a committed man:
"I've got my man on a stringSome argue for extreme measures to solve the problem of a waning female libido. While I don't personally advocate cheating, complete devotion, capitulation, and commitment to a woman does not serve us men best. We may initially feel good because we buy into some notion that we have become a certain woman's Prince Charming, but we are merely telling ourselves that to justify our choice. Traditional conservatives believe that humans should overcome our evolutionarily ingrained behaviors and attractions in order to take their relationships to a higher level of satisfaction. I'd argue that what they are arguing for it merely akin to putting a bottle of soda in a hot car. Rather than liquid coming out, steam will slowly escape. Likewise, a "proper" traditional relationship - without the taint of Game - will have other problems. If the man commits himself wholesale - blindly in the name of chivalrous love - and telegraphs such information to his wife or long-term partner, she will invariably switch strategies. She may not seek out another partner, but she will abide by the "Savanna Principle"; she will still act in accord with her primal roots. While she'll uphold the facade of traditional partnership - forgoing cheating, her libido will wane; the relationship will be devoid of the sex a man needs to remain in tune with his partner. If traditionalists and anti-Gamers want men and women to have higher-planed relationships, they'll have to nullify men's sexual appetites and desire for sexual relationships. If they succeed in muting those desires - after all, our higher calling is to slough off our evolved desires and behaviors - we will cease to be men at all.
I'm sittin' on a rainbow
Got my man wrapped 'round my finger
What a world, what a life, he's in love."
18 comments:
Who is that poor fool who got owned?
Unless that was a deliberate decision to adopt a child of color (I'm guessing it's not), I'd have to go join the Foreign Legion or something in his situation.
Ah, more of the truth. Give women what they say they want and a slave to them you shall be raising some other guys kids.
Marriage is the death of a man's soul.
Anon--
I disagree. The kid doesn't look like "mom" either. I'm betting on an adoption.
Of course, that still doesn't mean dad isn't owned either.
for purposes of hilarity, i'm going to assume the child is the woman's and not the man's. regardless, the implication is clear.
The kid doesn't look like "mom" either.
Babies always look like daddy at first. Takes a while for any mommy-looking traits to emerge.
Chuck.
Single women have two drives and desires that are (by definition of singledom) not being met: the desire for a partner -- a provider and a protector -- and the desire to mate with the genetically strongest man in the herd. The desire for a provider and protector is not necessarily sexual for it to be fulfilled although that forms a critical component, the desire for the genetically strongest man has to be sexual.
Women in relationships have their provider needs being met and very well. (Although note some pedastalisers give off the vibe they can't provide protection, even if they can provide in terms of resources, which lessens their overall attractiveness further, not just on the sexual scale.)
This explains that the provided for women feels then that she is attracted to what is 'missing'. It is housewives who talk about desiring the rough blue collar worker and it is alpha-chasing women who talk about wanting a sensitive man who will only love her; both do not actually desire the men they theoretically fantasise about as much as they say they do, but when they have primarily one need being met, they still feel what is missing.
Yes, you must continue to make her feel your genes are very desireable and that you're masculine. In essence, balance.
Don't be afraid to demonstrate your higher value. You are the equal compliment to your significant other and your love should be felt to be conditional. Feel that way and it will be true. If your love is not conditional, it is indiscriminate and thus worthless.
Bhetti:
wise words. your last sentence caught my eye.
"If your love is not conditional, it is indiscriminate and thus worthless."
i have never thought of it this way. it makes sense. i've long argued that men have more unconditional love than women. women need a man with ambition, status, provision, good genes etc. given their options, they are much more likely to be unfulfilled in a relationship when a man inevitably can't meet those requirements. men, otoh, do have some conditions, but they seem relatively simple. the require her maintaining a certain level of attractiveness vis a vis him and an assurance that she is committed. the worries about status and such obviously aren't important.
but, as you point out, having such a simple threshold is short-sighted on mens' part. men assume and accept the role that we are the dispensible ones. we are judged conditionally, but we are only allowed to view our partner in an unconditional manner.
this disparity in conditionality b/w men and women is part of the answer to the trend i present in my piece and also the trend of higher incidences of female-initiated divorce.
A woman can always attract a higher status male than she would normally pair off with if she is willing to forgo commitment.
What this means is (excepting men who have super-tight Pimp Game and have put their prospective brides through a battery of tests) --
Every single man in a committed relationship with a woman is not even close to being her first choice, even though the reverse may be true.
This is because a woman will forgo gina tingle to have access to a man's resources, status, and yes, even middling things like sense of humor.
This means she doesn't love or respect the man in the same way she feels for that alpha ex-BF who broke her heart many years ago.
The hindbrain gina tingle is PURE. It is HONEST. The forebrain desire for commitment, ceremony, resources and status is a rationally conducted business arrangement.
In such cases, the woman does love YOU for YOU -- she loves what you can do for her.
In essence, most wives don't love their husbands...
At least not as much as she does that alpha she sees from time to time at work or at the gym...
Perhaps relevant:
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/11/18/love-in-the-time-of-game/#comment-37364
Oops, should read:
In such cases, the woman does not love YOU for YOU -- she loves what you can do for her.
(chuck, please edit me if you can)
Tupac:
i'm not sure if its because i'm too stupid or because blogger sucks, but i'm not able to edit the comment. either way, its a good post. a woman's "coupling" phase is a business arrangement. fighting this is our only saving grace.
what is this? marriage is not the death of man's soul man it totally depends upon your married life, it's rubbish.
i've posted many times, that even in lesbian relationships, the female libido dies.
it's just one of those male/female differences that men must learn to live with. It the female libido didn’t wane, lesbians would have just as many bathhouses as gay men do.
chic:
"i've posted many times, that even in lesbian relationships, the female libido dies."
it doesn't matter that the person playing the more masculine role happens to be a woman. the decreasing libido is a response to changing strategies for procuring resources and superior genes. of course, this applies to younger women more than older ones. even though a certain lesbian couple can't reproduce, the one that assumes the more traditionally feminine role is still attracted to similar characteristics that she'd find in men.
"If your love is not conditional, it is indiscriminate and thus worthless."
Rand makes this exact point in Atlas Shrugged. In fact, she basically equates it to Marxism - which is like Larry Auster equating something to Satanism.
"It the female libido didn’t wane, lesbians would have just as many bathhouses as gay men do."
That doesn't make a lick of sense. Are bath houses mostly populated by long-term monogamous couples?
@chuck- some lesbian couples don't have an obious butch. some have two lipstick lesbians
anonymousThat doesn't make a lick of sense. Are bath houses mostly populated by long-term monogamous couples?
no gay men which leads me to believe that the male sex drive is naturally higher than the female.
chic noir:
"some have two lipstick lesbians"
ha, for every one lipstick lesbian duo i see in the wild, i see 9 butch/butch or butch/fem combos. and of those lipstick duos, most of them are just experimenting.
the one that assumes the more traditionally feminine role is still attracted to similar characteristics that she'd find in men.
but in some lesbian relationships neither party is playing a male role and both parties seem to lose their desire for one another.
chuck of those lipstick duos, most of them are just experimenting
men like to believe this.
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